Christianise the Christians,Can we start with me?

I believe it was Douglas Wilson who coined the term Christianise the christians...

Pass out the towells because we all need to keep drying off...

Again the paramount issue for any and every area of life is “who says?” By what Standard? We are at least to the place where we are noticing that there seems to be a lot of areas that the confessing church has thrown up for grabs. Hallelujah that we have eyes that are starting to see!

Our Evangelical forefathers took the Westminster confession and hucked them into some bush and just started playing it by ear.

The guy Rob was talking to is probably just the tip of the Iceberg of this next generation who have through the public schools and consumed enough culture that his thinking processes have been soaked, washed and put through the spin cycle. You can be saved, but if the church you then attend doesn’t put you through detox it is those embedded world views that then color how you see Gods Word. It is a reletivised faith that is being taught. It harmoniously fits in with a humanist worldview rather than challenging it.

Discipleship. Which I am afraid has been going on, but it has not been reproducing biblical ways of thinking for all of life. No its not all wrong. There is much good that is being taught, but even that gets twisted if the rest of the worldview isn’t there. You cannot pass on what you don’t have. We have all been there.

The 501c3 issue that Jason brought up is just symptomatic of where we are. Amen for more prayer. It is an un-challenged presupposition that of course you have to be a 501c3 to be a real Church.

Don Hart has more than once driven home the point that if you are a 501c3 your church is a creature of the state. It is a government defined entity. When you define, it means you have authority over what it is you are defining. That is a biblical view. So the state was in its rights to tell the U.S. Government versions of church that they must shut their mouths about certain issues or not to name names. But it is not understood. And the guy Rob talked to, of course he doesn’t understand. Like the Ethiopian. “ how can I understand this if someone doesn’t explain it to me…?”

Puritan or Pilgrim? More and more I get this feeling that we have this giant ball of knotted tangled string that as you see more of how tangled the church is with worldly ways of thinking you wonder can it be undone? Can it be untangled? I have experienced for myself how fast it can be unwound, but I was already removed from the normal church scene. Looking back I can see that I “could’ve” also been squished and run off .

I have also seen how fast others can see and move forward. All by Gods grace. But the freedom to see aright is tied to some discipleship process, even if it is only a shadow of how God wants it implemented. You can be discipled by dead men through books and at least get closer to bayonet range than you can get from most churchs Im afraid. We must be patient and vigilant like Phillip, ready to be used by God to try and help any who will listen. But in the interim, at the very least, we must inculcate into our families this understanding. Sola Scriptura! That is the Standard! Who Says? God says! Amen

We have done nothing to be proud of, but we have much we will be thankful for.

See Rob don’t appologise over length, you just have to go for it. Real men like their jerky thick. We are not gonna make up for 150yrs of going down the wrong road using post it notes!

Oh and at our Friday night at the fights mens meeting we were in 1Peter , chapter1 verse 15 and 16 just cleaned my clock….” But as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, because it is written, “be holy, for I am holy” ….

What a rube, someone forgot to tell Peter that we are under grace now. And quoting Leviticus11:44 no less, what is that?